Matthew Lohmeier joined other STARRS leaders on the Securing America show on Real America’s Voice network discussing why it’s important for Pete Hegseth to be the next Secretary of Defense.
1:27 STARRS Chairman Lt Gen Rod Bishop, USAF ret
10:53 STARRS Vice Chairman Maj. General Joe Arbuckle, USA ret
20:37 STARRS Executive Vice President Lt Col. Matthew Lohmeier, former USAF/USSF
31:44 STARRS President Col. Ron Scott, PhD, USAF ret
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TRANSCRIPT
Frank Gaffney
Welcome to Securing America with me, Frank Gaffney, the program that’s a owners manual for protecting the country we love against all enemies, foreign and domestic, to the glory of God and his Kingdom. I’m very pleased to say that we have an important development. That is a meeting that is taking place, well, Telethon, we call it, for the United States Senate, organized by our Save America’s military coalition.
We have a very distinguished company, including several people from whom you will be hearing momentarily, about the state of the United States military and the urgent need not only for a man of Pete Hegseth’s ability and vision to be the next Secretary of Defense, but also for military officers in all of the services who have been associated with the disastrous policies that have wrought such harm, as we’ll be discussing on our armed forces, be removed, relieved of their duties and replaced by warriors who understand that there is one mission, as we’ll talk about with our first guest, and that is winning the nation’s wars.
That guest is Lieutenant General Rod Bishop, United States Air Force Retired. He served with great distinction in uniform, both as a pilot as well as a senior commander, notably of US Air Forces in Europe.
He is these days the chairman of a tremendous organization called STARRS. That stands for Stand Together Against Racism and Radicalism in the Services. General, I am so pleased to have you with us, and for this interview with you to be a contribution to that telethon later today. If people want to get the full content of that, I hope they will go to Save America’s Military dot org. General, welcome. I know you’ve given a lot of thought to this. You’ve been working very hard on it at stars and in other capacities. Thank you for joining us. Give us your readout on what’s ailing America’s military today what we need to do about it, sir.
Rod Bishop
Well, thanks again for having me on your show once again, Frank, and Happy New Year to you and all your viewers and listeners. You know, as STARRS has been at this for almost half a decade now, we We’ve been calling out this Marxist invasion and just telling people how divisive it is. The last time I was on your show, I shared with your audience just a number of first-hand accounts of how people who are experiencing this indoctrination felt about it. I’m going to skip that today and just refer your viewers and listeners to our website, STARRS.US. There they will find over 2,000 different accounts of people just telling us how divisive this ideology is.
Instead, I’d like to concentrate on just three simple things about what used to be known as critical race theory, got a bad rap, now known as diversity diversity, equity, inclusion, nicer sounding words. And those three things simply are number one. It’s rooted in Marxism. You know what? I tell people that they just shrug their shoulders sometimes and shake their head, eyes roll, and I say, okay, well, if it didn’t come from Herbert Marcuse and his fellow Marxists who set up the Marxist School, name changed later to the Frankfurt School at Frankfurt, Germany, and brought that over to Columbia University, of all places, escaping Nazi Germany, then where did it come from?
Nobody’s ever suggested a different origin. And isn’t it ironic when you stop and think that we, as America, spent almost 100,000 lives fighting this ideology in Korea and Vietnam alone and spent trillions of our national treasury. And here we are, letting it right in the front door. It’s just crazy. It is very definitely a domestic enemy that every officer takes an oath to swear and support the Constitution, support and defend the Constitution against. Number two, the intent is to divide, and it does so just by splitting people up into little identity groups, mostly on race, sometimes on gender and religion. Identity politics on steroids, one Air Force Academy cadet called it to me.
Number three, as an instrument of division, it’s working. Consider, if it wasn’t being divisive, then why would the corporate world, Toyota, Ford, Tractor Supply, Jack Daniels, Coors, Harley Davidson, John Deere, Walmart, and Boeing all have walked away or scrapped their DEI programs recently. 28 states as well have joined in the fray, so to speak, and have either passed legislation or have legislation pending severely curtailing their DEI programs. And tens of universities consider this from the New York Times of all sources, the Old Gray Lady reports that the University of Michigan’s Uber Woke program, the largest DEI bureaucracy of any public university, has not only helped build a culture of grievance, but that has boosted racial tension and deepened division.
It has made the entire campus miserable. Need we say more? So where are we? The incoming administration is telling us that the military is going to be next up for this cleansing. And I can tell you that the STARRS leadership can suggest and recommend no one better than Pete Hegseth to take on that mission. He is a warrior himself. He’s deployed, guarding the terrorists in Guantanamo Bay, fighting the terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan. And he has such a deep understanding about this. He’s written two books, Battle for the American Mind and the War on Warriors.
STARRS is just so proud of Pete, the work he’s done in this world in this arena. And we’re also proud to have been associated with him for the last several years, sharing with him some of the just horrible examples and stories that people serving have shared with us that made The War on Warrior is such a powerful book. So just as DEI plunged a knife into the heart and soul of what should be or what is behind the success of every military operation, and that’s unity and cohesiveness. Now, let’s take that knife, cut out the cancer, and return our military to what it’s supposed to be all about.
So if we, as a nation, want to see retention and recruiting, those challenges disappear. STARRS strongly recommends that the United States Senate confirm Pete as their next Secretary of Defense. He’s the warrior. And we’ll watch him return our military to the merit-based organization that it is, focused on unity, not divisiveness, focused on readiness and its mission of fighting our nation’s wars not participating in the social justice wars that have swept our nation.
Frank Gaffney
General, that’s a brilliant and I think extremely accurate assessment of where the military is. Could you just speak to one other related point, sir? And that is whether people who, like you, were promoted to very senior positions in the United States military, but who have, under the Obama administration or the Biden, well, I call it the Obama 3.0 administration, embraced these cultural Marxist policies and practices. Can safely be kept in their current positions running America’s armed forces.
Rod Bishop
Well, you have to be careful here, Frank. I mean, you might fire some people at the top and get someone who’s been more indoctrinated right below them to take their place. So believe it or not, STARRS was asked, or I was asked back in March, how best to handle that. And there are some I think that we can obviously let go because they’re just total ideologs. Others, what we have suggested is that there be a board by service that takes a look. You have a heart to heart conversation. Can you show them where the administration is going and say, this is in opposition of what you said? I mean, can you can you accept this? Will you implement the President’s strategy? That’s a tough question to answer.
Frank Gaffney
Okay. But I think a formal process that does do this on a case by case basis makes a lot of sense. I hope you’ll be very much involved in it. General Rod Bishop, thank you for being with us today and for the great work you do at stars for this contribution to our program. We’ll be right back, folks.
Welcome back, and a very, very special and heartfelt welcome to our next guest. His name is Major General Joe Arbuckle. He has served with great distinction in the United States Army prior to his retirement, so much so that he is in not one, not two, not three but four different service-related Halls of Fame for his expertise and service in various capacities, notably as a logistician in the army. We know how important that mission is, as is, in fact, other attributes that General Arbuckle exemplifies, such as prizing, duty, honor, and country, as well as the warrior ethos.
He is the driving force behind a terrific organization or informal pickup team, if you will, called Flag Officers for America. It has recently mustered out to support the nomination of Pete Hegseth to be the next Secretary of Defense. As part of our special coverage of this important nomination in the United States Senate, and in connection with a telethon, we’re conducting under the banner of the Save America’s Military Coalition. This afternoon, as we speak, we asked General Arbuckle to make a contribution to both our program here, Securing America, as well as that telethon in connection with this letter.
I asked him to speak about that, of course, but also just give us a little bit of background on the nature of the flag officers and general officers who have come together as part of this really extraordinary group. General, it’s great to have you back, sir. Welcome once again.
Joe Arbuckle
Thank you very much, Frank, for your kind words and for your friendship. You’re a great American patriot, and thanks for doing this. It’s my pleasure to be here. Flag Officers for America is just basically a team. It’s not an organization. I’m the volunteer informal leader of that group, and periodically, our little team will put together letters that are addressing issues that are very, very important to our national defense. We’ve done six of those in the last four years.
Most recently is the one that you commented on about supporting Pete Hegseth for Secretary of Defense. Last month, on the sixth of December, we did a press release announcing that open letter. To date, there’s 137 retired generals and admirals that have signed that letter supporting Pete. So that’s very significant. And today, as you indicated, I’ll talk a little bit about what’s in that letter and why we’re supporting Pete. The first point I want to make about Pete, and it’s obvious if you listen to him, is that he’s extremely passionate about our country. He loves our country, he loves our military, and he loves the men and women who serve in uniform, as well as their families who also sacrifice.
Add to that, all the veterans who have served over many, many years. So Pete’s all about the military. He really proved that in a decision he made after he graduated from Princeton, an Ivy League College. He had a great future ahead of him. He could have made a ton of money in the private sector, but he chose to give that up and instead enlisted in the Army National Guard and serve over many, many years. As General Bishop indicated earlier, he was first at Guantanamo Bay, and then he deployed to Iraq and Afghanistan, where he served as an infantry officer on the ground, engaged in ground combat against terrorists.
And so, Pete has that grassroots experience under his belt which will be extremely valuable as Secretary of Defense because it’s a recent experience. It’s not an old experience. He’s got that tie to the military, men and women. Another important point about Pete, and he pledges this all the time, is to eradicate diversity, equity, and inclusion from our military. Pete’s an extremely intelligent guy, and on his own, he took it upon himself to study what it’s all about. He understands the linkage between DEI and critical race theory and how that relates to Marxism.
It’s all about dividing people, putting them into identity groups and pitting them against each other. Well, that’s divisive. That’s exactly the opposite of what our military is all about. Pete understands that. He’s it as a leader.
That can be exemplified through something we call the one team, one fight battle motto, where everybody on the team, all the way down from the foxhole level to the very top, is dedicated to mission and a common purpose, one mission, one purpose. And that is the focus along with the focus on the team itself, not any individual or not any identity group based upon something like race or gender or any sexual orientation. It’s all about the team and team success in fulfilling the mission.
In order to do that, they must have total trust and confidence in each other to be a successful team and be cohesive. And unity is what that means. And diversity, equity, and inclusion, Pete understand, tears at the heart and soul of that one team, one fight battle motto. So that’s his first priority, is to get rid of, eradicate DEI from the military. And that’s a monumental task. He’s up to that task.
He understands it like no one else that’s running for that job. He’s also dedicated, Frank, to putting our military back on track to focus only on combat readiness actions, to be prepared to fight and win our nation’s wars. That’s why we have a military. In order to do that, we have to focus on combat readiness and get rid of all these distractions, these social experiments that come with DEI, et cetera. He’s dedicated to do that. Also, he’s talked about increasing lethality of our military and our armed forces, which is necessary.
Finally, Pete has talked about something few people have been talking about recently, and that’s accountability for our actions. Now, throughout my career, and when you were in and everybody else, we’ve always associated three things for leaders. One is seeking responsibility and taking responsibility for their actions, and then with that, giving them the commensurate authority to do the job, to meet those responsibilities, and finally, holding them accountable for doing the job. Now, that’s been missing to a large degree recently in our military, as evidenced by, for example, the DOD failing seven audits in a row. That’s his focus. President Trump has selected Pete.
He had a ton of talented people he could choose from, but he wants Pete to go into that capacity as Secretary of Defense because he knows Pete will fulfill his mandate to return our military to what it’s all about and get rid of the distractions.
Frank Gaffney
General, what a superb characterization, both of the man and what distinguishes him from many other choices, but also why he is needed so urgently at this time. Maybe just a further word from you on the need, if I could. This is a juncture when, as you know, sir, we are facing some very, very serious threats, including a new DOD report talking about the Chinese military buildup as one we’ve not seen the likes of since Adolf Hitler’s. Just a quick minute on how important it is that we get the military in shape for shape.
Joe Arbuckle
Yeah, sure. Well, a few points there real quick. We have the smallest military today, Frank, than we’ve had before World War II. It’s the smallest since World War II, the late 1930s. That’s tragic in face of what’s going on with China right now, as you know, and also Russia or Ukraine, Iran seeking nuclear weapons, all of its proxy wars going on throughout the Middle East and other places. So, yes, it’s absolutely critical that we have a military that’s capable enough to deter China from the enough that you’re talking about. And if deterrence fails, then to fight and win. That’s been recognized in many studies here recently.
Frank Gaffney
Thank you, General. We have to leave it at that, I’m afraid. This is an important time and an important contribution from Flag Officers for America. I cannot thank you enough for your leadership of that group and for its service and yours, which continues so admirably today. Thank you, sir. Come back to us again with updates on this, if you would, sir.
We’re back. And what a treat to be able to say we have another contributor to the telethon we’ll be recording later today as we speak. His name is Lieutenant Colonel Matthew Lohmeier. He is an extraordinary veteran, a patriot and a leader of men. It’s an honor for me to be able to call him a friend as well as a very valued colleague. He is these days the executive vice president of STARRS, to which you’ve been introduced previously. That stands again for Stand Together Against Racism and Radicalism in the Services.
He knows a thing or two about it. He’s written a very important book about Marxism in the military. We’ll talk a little bit about that in the course of this segment. But I’m going to give him an opportunity to speak to not only this audience, but also to the United States Senate as to why Pete Hegseth is the right man for the job of Secretary of Defense at this particular moment in our nation’s history, especially. Colonel Lohmeier, welcome back. It’s great to have you with us once again, sir.
Matthew Lohmeier
I’m grateful be here with you, Frank, and grateful for your friendship as well. Let me open with a thought before we really dive into whatever else you might be interested in talking about. There’s been tremendous opposition from some corners to President Trump’s nomination of Pete Hegseth, the Secretary of Defense. Of course, there’s also been a tremendous show of support from the veteran community, and for good reason. President Trump has given Pete Hegseth a mandate to eliminate all distractions to lethality and warfighting in the military workplace.
The American people and our veteran community and our service members have seen far too much in the media over the past four years that looks like distraction. It has been a distraction to our troops, lethality and warfighting and readiness and our recruiting and retention to suffering also, as we’ve seen. Pete takes that very seriously.
As you mentioned, I wrote a book about cultural Marxism called Irresistible Revolution. I know the matter very well. I understand this impulse that has swept across the entire Defense Department and all federal agencies, quite frankly. It’s important at this juncture in American history that President Trump get a great pick for Secretary of Defense, frankly, all of his cabinet members.
He’s picked a great person to lead the Defense Department, who I think will take this mandate from President Trump to eliminate all distractions from the military workplace place. Seriously, that’s Pete Hegseth. I know Pete personally. I’ve spent time with Pete in person over the past couple of years for his program at Fox Nation Specials in Nashville on multiple trips. I know firsthand that Pete takes military culture very seriously. He is outspoken about these issues, as people have seen over the past couple of years. Of course, as people are talking about, he’s written at least two very powerful books that directly relate to this topic of distractions and education in the military workplace.
But I know firsthand that he takes this very seriously and that he is committed to carrying out President Trump’s mandate to eliminate those distractions. People on either side of the political aisle might have a problem with, pick your thing. But here’s someone that in a very real way at this juncture where we’re trying to eliminate distractions, this should not be a partisan issue. You should have Democrats and Republicans both lining up to support President Trump’s pick because you have someone who’s interested in focusing exclusively on warfighting.
I mean, that’s what our Defense Department is all about, and Pete Hegseth will certainly do that.
Frank Gaffney
This is a topic that I believe should be front and center in these kinds of considerations. When you look at what we saw in the military under the Biden team, with respect to what you’ve described as a distraction, a feature of it that I found particularly insidious was the idea that in order to enforce the cultural Marxist program, you need to have what I think only be described as political commissars attached to the various military units and commands and so on. Could you talk a little bit about that and how that fits into the cultural Marxist playbook?
Matthew Lohmeier
Yeah. In fact, what you’ll find if you even dip your toe into the waters of a study of, let’s say, 20th century Marxist revolutionary causes, you always have to establish an enforcing mechanism that is run by the state because people don’t naturally generally, in a majority, buy into the ideology that the state should control outcomes.
The diversity, equity, I’m going to focus on that for just a moment, and inclusion complex necessitates state involvement in ensuring an equality of outcomes. It’s in fact unjust. It is unequal. It is everything that is in opposition to the American ideal of liberty and merit, meritocracy. There’s no organization on earth that you to take meritocracy more seriously than the United States military.
We’ve seen these political commissars that you speak about at our military service academies. The most prominent example of this is at my alma mater, the US Air Force Academy. Fortunately, even before we had the election, I understand, the current superintendent, the new superintendent at the US Air Force Academy, has remarked that he’s interested in seeing the purple-braided, rope-wearing cadet political commissars be eliminated at the US Air Force Academy. That’s a huge step because he senses that this, at very least, is causing ripples culturally in the military and in the perceptions of the American people of our military.
We’re making the right step Perhaps President Trump and his pick for Secretary of Defense, Pete Hegseth, are absolutely critical to taking drastic measures early, aggressive measures early on to send shockwaves through the system and to eliminate all vestiges of this political commissar regime that we’ve seen over the past four years.
Frank Gaffney
Matt Lohmeier, again, in conjunction with your analysis of Marxism as a revolutionary enterprise, the strategy of dividing the units whose cohesion may be absolutely decisive in warfighting is not an accident, read, as they say, is it? That’s right. It’s part and parcel of it. From your personal experience in uniform, and I should say you were, I believe, relieved in part of command in the Space Forces arena, for your book and for your analysis, really, of what was afflicting the armed forces and has been even more today. Could you speak to this issue of what you personally saw in terms of a divide and conquer effect on our armed forces, that they were being subjected to these things that were perhaps distractions, but very calculated attacks as well on our military.
Matthew Lohmeier
Yes, I had troops coming to me while I was in command, unsolicited by me, complaining about the trainings that we were beginning to receive in force, in fact, after the Biden administration administration came to office. What people fail to remember is, and I’ve got an interview about this, as soon as I get off this call with you in this interview here, there’s another journalist who’s reached out to me, to your point. He says, Help me find some evidence that our military troops are actually being impacted by what you call diversity, equity, and inclusion trainings. I thought about that as a curiosity because there’s been such abundant evidence.
Let me say it this way. People fail to remember that these things don’t happen by accident. In fact, the Biden administration, on day one of its administration, through executive fiat, established in policy these diversity, equity, and inclusion trainings, after which the Secretary of Defense established, by way of policy, the necessity of diversity, equity, and inclusion trainings in every military unit, in every branch of the military. It’s not a question of whether they’re taking place. There might be a question about the frequency of these trainings and depending on who’s in command at any given base and the way in which they either protect their troops from these trainings or use their bully pulpit to magnify those trainings.
But I began to see it while I was in command. But it has been on steroids for the past four years. STARRS, the organization I’m executive vice president for, has compiled thousands of boots on the ground, eyewitness, anecdotal, to be sure, but eyewitnessed firsthand accounts of people that are very discouraged by these trainings that they’re experiencing in the military workplace.
When the policy is in place, and it is and has been for the past four years, there’s no escaping these trainings. There is not a unit you can go to, and I’m not overstating this, in the United States military, where you won’t at some point be subjected to a deliberately divisive, rooted in Marxist DEI training program, whether it’s a computer-based training or through some commander or some lesser flight commander or a platoon leader at some point who takes this agenda very seriously.
It is intended to focus on our accidentals, on our race, on our sex preferences, on our gender, and all of the things that actually typically divide Americans into various tribes that we try to eliminate from their psyche when they show up in basic training on day one in their boot camp.
You knock all of that out of the psyche the US military serviceman and servicewoman because you want them to be unified around a single purpose and a single identity. That’s all been destroyed very rapidly in the past four years. The thing I’m most excited about, about getting someone like Pete Hegseth in the seat, is that he’s so serious about eliminating those distractions from the military workplace. He will, under a policy of the Trump administration and through his own directives to the military, eliminate those distractions.
We will see the end of these diversity, equity, inclusion trainings in the first month or two of our next administration. Then the challenge is going to be establishing a mechanism of accountability so that we can actually ensure that it doesn’t return over the next four years.
Frank Gaffney
From your lips to God’s ears, Matt Lohmeier. We hope you’ll be a part of it. Thank you for your leadership and your comments today. God bless you.
Matthew Lohmeier
Thank you.
Frank Gaffney
I’m very pleased to say we have yet another of the principals in this wonderful organization, Stand Together Against Racism and Radicalism in the Services. It’s President and CEO, retired Air Force Colonel Ron Scott. He is also an extraordinarily formidable monitor and analyst of what has been done to the United States military. We wanted him to make a contribution to the telethon and to our program here at Securing America about some of the problems that STARRS has encountered with respect to transparency or the lack thereof, and most especially a lack of accountability. Colonel, it’s good to have you with us, sir. Thank you for all you and your organization do. I’m going to turn the floor over to you for your comments, sir.
Ron Scott
Thanks, Frank. It’s an honor to be part of this session. What I want to emphasize today is the notion that a particular political faction in America is advancing a narrative or a series of narratives that don’t necessarily have to be true. And in the process, they have sublimated the importance of transparency and accountability.
So let me give you evidence to support that: Freedom of Information Act requests. We have Now, a little more than four years later, filed nearly 60 FOIA requests, 6-0 FOIA requests. Only one was answered within the 20-day statutory period. Only one of the 60. Judicial Watch has filed two lawsuits on our behalf, and they’re getting ready to file another one.
The big question we have is a lot of this information is pretty neutral politically. Why the resistance in releasing the documents and records we’re asking for? That makes the situation very suspicious, which leads me to two organizations that operated under the radar. The first was the Military Leadership Diversity Commission that was chartered in the National Defense 2009 National Defense Authorization Act. It was pushed by the Congressional Black Caucus without any debate. They stood up this commission, shared by a retired black four-star general, Lester Lyles.
In March of 2011, when they issued their final report, two things stood out. In the introduction, they were explicit about the importance of discriminating to achieve equity. Here, equity was a proportionate representation of minorities in the general officer ranks. The other admission was that assimilation was bad. It was dangerous because it subordinated subcultural differences. This was so contrary to the E Pluribus Unum, which made America the melting pot, where they truly embraced diversity, different ethnic backgrounds and nationalities to come together to be part of the American creed. They were explicit about that. That was March of 2011.
Five months later, the President issued an executive order August of 2011, establishing diversity and inclusion personnel and programs across the entire federal government. They demonstrated they could do this and get away with it with the Department of Defense. Now, they proliferated across the entire government.
Okay, years now passed. In 2020, the current Secretary of Defense realized that all of the recommendations in that commission were not implemented, so they stood up the Defense Advisory Committee on Diversity and Inclusion, again, headed up by the retired Black four-star General Lester Lyles. They have been deliberately discriminating. We had a representative at a December 2023 session, the only member from the public in attendance, and that got our attention.
Again, flying under the radar. In their May of 2024 session, we had 19 individuals signed up to attend in person. Three days before that event, they made an announcement that due to “unforeseen circumstances”, the session would be virtual only.
There was one particular presentation, and we watched it, recorded it. It was the diversity inclusion officer for the Central Intelligence Agency who reports directly to the director of the CIA. Admitted that they veto promotions for individuals that have not sufficiently embraced diversity inclusion.
So real quickly, on the COVID vaccine mandate, eight federal courts ruled that what the Defense Department was doing was in violation of public law, of informed consent and the religious freedom laws, et cetera, et cetera. We’ve taken on that issue.
The last thing I want to mention is that on December 17th, Congressman Laudermilk issued an interim report on the January Sixth oversight investigation. Very disturbing, very disturbing. No fanfare in the media.
So I want to close, Frank, with the notion that a professor at UC Berkeley symbolizes what’s happening here on the left. He’s written several books, one of them with the title Thinking Points.
It’s an instruction guide on how to shape the narrative, how to frame it. One of his axioms is that it’s the frame that matters. If facts fit great, if not, they’re irrelevant. He’s published another book called Moral Politics.
I will close with this notion. For those that have worn the uniform and keep saying that we have to be apolitical, what they really mean is we need to be non-partisan. The big difference. So if we’re apolitical, that means we’re also amoral, and we can’t afford to be amoral.
These service academies are developing leaders of character, characters based on a moral foundation, and so we’re losing it big time because we’re being deceived by members of the Left who control the narrative. And so I’ll close with that thought.
Frank Gaffney
Colonel, thank you. This is an extraordinarily important contribution to the program. I am very grateful to you, not least because I think what you’ve really laid out is the agenda that is being served here.
We’ve talked in various other places in the course of this program, and I’m sure we’ll in the telethon about symptoms, but the impetus behind it, whether it’s formally understood to be cultural Marxism or whether it’s a political Well, to use Barack Obama’s famous phrase, fundamental transformation of, yes, the military, most immediately, but also really other institutions of our government, and more to the point, the country itself.
It must be understood. If it is understood, I think by the vast majority of American people, certainly, I think the men and women in uniform, it will be resisted as well. That is very much what is needed.
We have to let you go, sir, but I hope this will be, again, just another of many conversations with you and the STARRS team. Thank you for the great work you all do. I know you’ll keep it up, and I look forward to our further collaborations in the telethon and beyond.
